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January 13, 2006

Saddam Trained Terrorists?

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Documentary Evidence of Saddam's Terror Links Revealed

Say the following mantra one-hundred times while genuflecting: there were no links between Saddam Hussein and terrorism.

Via Hyscience, this pretty damning report. I'll note that the GSPC referenced here is the same group that had planned a 9/11 style attack against the U.S, but which the domestic media overlooked when the plot was foiled.

The Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayes consulted 11 federal officials before concluding that documents U.S. troops captured in Iraq prove that "the former Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion."
Hayes reports, "Secret training took place primarily at three camps - in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak - and was directed by elite Iraqi military units." Al-Qaida-affiliated fanatics, such as Algeria's GSPC and the Sudanese Islamic Army, were among the 8,000 or so murderers instructed between 1999 and 2002.
Handwritten notes, computer discs and other "exploitable items" confirm Saddam's philanthropy of terror, Hayes says. But America has translated only some 2.5 percent of this huge cache. Federal officials barely discuss what they have learned. Even unclassified papers remain unavailable. Absurd.
Having studied some of these artifacts, one intelligence expert says: "As much as we overestimated WMD (weapons of mass destruction), it appears we underestimated (Saddam's) support for transregional terrorists."

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1 Why is Hayes the only guy working this beat? You'd think that with the treasure trove of documents found in Iraq, someone would want to go through 'em just to see what the heck was going on. It appears that there's been a collective cluster%$@^ to make sure that no one knows anything... And that could be intentional because the documents might be extremely damaging to our 'allies' and diplomatic efforts - especially if it came to light that certain individuals and countries were on the Saddam dole, that Saddam was a nexus of the terrorism business, etc. Or it could be nothing of the kind. Or somewhere in the middle. We have no way of knowing.

Posted by: lawhawk at January 13, 2006 02:33 PM (eppTH)

2 A little logic here, people: If this were in fact true, the Bush administration - which touted alleged terrorist ties as the #2 (sometimes even #1) reason for invading Iraq - would be shouting this from the rooftops; they'd call a surprise interrupt-all-regular-programming press conference, if that's what it took. But have they? No. So this story is yet another phony. QED. It's public knowledge that there were terrorist training camps in Irag, but they were in the Kurdish region, which Saddam DID NOT CONTROL; Hayes is simply switching city names to try and create another false meme in a transparent attempt to shore up the neocon's thoroughly-discredited claims. SR

Posted by: SergeiRostov at January 13, 2006 02:33 PM (7gIjC)

3 Weekly standard:Speaking of Ansar al Islam, the al Qaeda-linked terrorist group that operated in northern Iraq, the former high-ranking military intelligence officer says: "There is no question about the fact that AI had reach into Baghdad. There was an intelligence connection between that group and the regime, a financial connection between that group and the regime, and there was an equipment connection. It may have been the case that the IIS [Iraqi Intelligence Service] support for AI was meant to operate against the [anti-Saddam] Kurds. But there is no question IIS was supporting AI." There are some areas of Iraqi Kurdistan that are not really in control of Bahgdad or the Kurds. A no mans land if you will. (Eastern area Kurd power is greater in the far northwest of Iraq) Zarqawi is not with the Kurds now. All they have in common really are that they are Sunni. Plus there are reports that old pegleg got his new leg in Bahgdad and was in Bahgdad when he first arrived in Iraq.

Posted by: Howie at January 13, 2006 02:49 PM (D3+20)

4 Unlike SergeiRostov says, Salman Pak was a known terrorist training camp before the invasion and it is not far from Baghdad (hardly Kurdish territory). Some of the "trainees" were still there and engaged arriving American troops. I saw a report on it from the embedded reporter at the time and know one of the participants (who told me about it when he came back). Time or Newsweek even had a sat photo of Salman Pak before the war.

Posted by: Don Miguel at January 13, 2006 03:15 PM (+KixN)

5 Sergei, in case you haven't noticed, Bush is about actions, not words. If you want words, tune in to the dhimmicraps, they've got nothing but.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximusi at January 15, 2006 01:51 AM (0yYS2)

6 Not only all that, but Salman Pak was originally a plant for producing chemicals for warfare and "bad viruses" throughout the 80's and until '91. And guess who built part of it and gave the Iraqis the necessary support, air filters, refrigeration, etc. for maintaining it .... The Germans. It wasn't until after the Gulf War that it was transformed into a training camp (around '95) And perhaps Sergei would like to explain to us how Saddam didn't know anything about terror training as at the SE entrance to Salman Pak he had an opulent villa built to stay in while he visited.

Posted by: Oyster at January 15, 2006 05:58 AM (YudAC)

7 also I failed to note that the Kurds are of two factiosn and fight each other as well. So each side would seek and be sought out by Saddam for support. I'm sure he would have chosed one over the other.

Posted by: Howie at January 15, 2006 10:07 AM (D3+20)

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Saudi Embassy Worker Conspired to Smuggle Illegal Aliens

Somehow I missed this news earlier. Frightening to think that a Saudi would try to smuggle in people from the Middle East. What's worse is that the fraudulent documents were diplomatic visas. There was a time when I thought the immigration issue was boring. No longer. Immigration reform is a matter of national security.

This story also reminded me of one filthy Jawa reader who discovered that one of our e-mail a terrorist victims was an immigration lawyer in Britain. Just what the Western world needs: immigration lawyers with terrorist sympathies. Thanks to that filthy reader's efforts, the lawyer is no longer employed at his immigration law firm.

Sierra Times:

An Egyptian national pled guilty today to using his position at the Embassy of Saudi Arabia in Washington, D.C. to secure fraudulent Saudi diplomatic visas to help aliens enter the United States illegally.
Mohamed Abdel Wahab Yakoub, a.k.a. Mohamed Wardi, a 61-year-old native of Egypt and a resident of Maryland, pled guilty before the Honorable Leonie Brinkema in the Eastern District of Virginia to one count of smuggling aliens into the United States. Yakoub is facing a maximum term of imprisonment of 10 years when he is sentenced by Judge Brinkema on April 7, 2006. Yakoub is also facing deportation to Egypt following his sentencing.

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Ted Kennedy is Gay

Seriously*. Kevin McCullogh gets censored for suggesting Kennedy deserves a beating. Buckley F. Williams has the top nine statements that would make Ted cry.

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German Spies Helped U.S. in Iraq Invasion

(Berlin) Two news outlets reported on Wednesday that German intelligence agents assisted the United States military during the invasion of Iraq. The German Foreign Minister has denied the allegations.

From Deutsche Welle:

In a front page story in the respected Suddeutsche Zeitung (SZ), renowned investigative journalist Hans Leyendecker and colleague Wolfgang Krach quoted a high-ranking German security source as saying that two Federal Intelligence Agency agents (BND) in Baghdad helped the US military assess targets during the air invasion of Iraq in the war's opening weeks.
The office of Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who thrust US-German relations into an ice age through his disapproval of the Iraq invasion, reportedly knew about the cooperation and approved of it, according to the article. The cooperation was made after a "political decision" by Schroeder's coalition government. "This wasn't the decision of some department head," the SZ quoted their source as saying.

Well, well, well! I'm astonished. Give the man a knockwurst and a stein of good German beer. All along, the Germans were giving the impression that they were not helping and they allegedly really were. Of course, we can also credit someone for leaking classified information and a loudmouth media. Here's some details.

The report was indirectly confirmed by a former US defense official in the German television program "Panorama." Whereas the article in the SZ said the agents were involved in reporting targets on the ground that shouldn't be attacked, the US defense official claimed the agents did much more.
The BND gave "direct support" in "selecting targets," said the official. One example of that support: a BND agent drove to the Baghdad district Mansur in an armored limousine in order to confirm US suspicions that a caravan of cars carrying Iraqi officials, including Saddam Hussein, was driving through the area. The information he relayed on April 7, 2003, was reportedly used in an immediate bomb attack on a complex of buildings in which at least 12 people died.

Support in the selection of targets where people died indicates the Germans were directly participating in the war.

All the German leftists are having a fit.

Companion post at Interested-Participant.

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Nose Drama Redux

Apparently Raymond Flowers, one of John Hawkins' readers, has noticed a pattern that might explain the "nose drama" phenomenon I posted about a few weeks ago. It hadn't occurred to me that it might be evidence of yet another dark Bush conspiracy, but the RWN reader doesn't seem to be aware of the use of the "nasals" in older Americans. Heh.

Has anyone noticed the use by George W. Bush and Jeb Bush and the republican party of nasal control implants in children as their family continues to re-entrench itself from World War II where it used the control technology on the German population running the yes sir Nathan Hales of the Hitler youth.
They use stories to continuously bombard students creating day dreams producing what is commonly called attention deficit disorder in addition to hyper activity and they even produced dyslexia using the nasals to get the visual from the optic nerve and a Hewlett-Cray-Motorola computer did a dictionary look up for the current pattern which was regenerated weekly in some locations and is the reason that words written very poorly didn't jumble as the primitive software couldn't figure out what the word was and either left it alone or broke connections between letters to re-arrange what looked like components between humps or risers on the letters.

Well, that sure explains why Mary Baker Eddy is barking at me in Louis Farrakhan's voice. It's a software glitch!

(Cross-posted to Demosophia)

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Joshua Sparling On Sean Hannity's Radio Show

The Political Teen has posted audio of Joshua Sparling's interview on Sean Hannity's radio show. Sparling is the wounded soldier who received a death wish written in a Christmas card.

Michael Crook, the founder of the vile "Forsake the Troops" website, initially denied involvement, then admitted guilt for the card, which was signed, "Miguel".

But Crook, a notorious media whore, conveniently lost any proof that he had actually sent the card. Crook has a history of making false claims for publicity. In May, 2005 he faked his own death with a post to his website, and Crook originally came to regional notice by claiming to have found a soldier's camera and demanding $1,000 "finder's fee". He later admitted that he didn't have the camera.

Also posted at The Dread Pundit Bluto.

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January 12, 2006

Saint Anger 'Round My Neck

Originally posted last night, but deleted because I wasn't done yet.

Part one

Part two

Part three (by co-blogger Kyer)

Part four

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Iranian Delusions

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1 Yeah, great event. Good luck with that you primitive fuck. Does anyone know about what the average yield is on a typical tactical nuke?

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 11:37 PM (0yYS2)

2 With fledgling democracies on either side of a country whose medieval mullahs are repressing a population that had been used to Western culture, the "great event" may not be the one that Ahmanedijab expects. Then again, it might be a tactical nuke up his pooper.

Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at January 13, 2006 12:20 AM (RHG+K)

3 Actually pretty small in terms of kilotons. The biggest concern is a ship launched Scud with a tact nuke off the US Northeast Coast. It doesn't have to be very accurate. It can be a lobbing arch up to 100 km or so. There would be little loss of life on the ground due to any radiation. The concern is the electro-magnetic pulse (EMP) generated from the blast would flow in the electric grid. The big hypothetical danger is frying the hardward/software electical power switching and load leveling systems. It would be a long period before power could be restored. Longer than emergency generators have gas to run. This could cause major riots and breakdown of social structure and government. Not good. Enough of a threat I would make DAMN sure I knew where OBL's/AQ's Naval fleet of 15 junk cargo ships were at all times. If they approached within range of the US, I would be ready to blow them out of the water. Remember the Mullahs are interested in all things EMP, have nuke tech courtesy of the Chinese, A.Q. Kahn and the NORKS, missile tech from them too,and have been test launching sea launched Scuds in the Caspian Sea. Mind you these test Scuds seem to destruct in midair and have been chalked up to failures. Depends on what your trying to achieve. Even though the Mad Mullahs are Shia, they will partner with OBL/AQ, who are Sunni, when pragmatic to gang up against the Big and Little Satan.

Posted by: Rocketsbrain at January 13, 2006 12:48 AM (JCZTC)

4 AQ's "fleet" is a real problem and the difficulty in tracking them. That's a lotta water out there. And they're not really sure they know how many ships AQ has. Just for the record (nitpicking, I know) but bin Laden subscribes to a far stricter Qutbism.

Posted by: Oyster at January 13, 2006 05:53 AM (YudAC)

5 Oyster AQ's "fleet" was the easist thing that was dealt with - out of sight - out of mind - sleep with the fishes - no press coverage - no questions. I don't want "attention or horays" - I want results.

Posted by: hondo at January 13, 2006 11:37 AM (3aakz)

6 The Horsemen are drawing nearer, On leather steeds they ride, They've come to take your life, On through the dead of night, With the four horsemen ride, Or choose your fate and die.

Posted by: Kevin at January 13, 2006 06:12 PM (ekdle)

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Dear Weird Iranian President Guy

Take a look to the sky just before you die
It is the last time you will
Blackened roar massive roar fills the crumbling sky
Shattered goal fills his soul with a ruthless cry
Stranger now, are his eyes, to this mystery
He hears the silence so loud
Crack of dawn, all is gone except the will to be
Now they will see what will be, blinded eyes to see

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ACLU to Defend (yet another) Terrorist

I don't know why this is "news" anymore. John from Stop the ACLU also notes that this particular lawyer has a track record of representing Hamas. Typical.

Two civil liberties groups filed legal briefs this week in support of a Virginia man accused of helping to fund Mideast terrorists, arguing that federal agents had no right to search his home without a warrant in 1993. [More]

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1 ACLU and lawyer will get a platform - client will lose and go to jail. Recall an old movie from the 50's (BW) about a Puerto Rican kid on trial for murder in NY - he's got a Public Defender (Glenn Ford?) but an ACLU type group and Kunstler type lawyer talk his mom in letting them join the team. The Rad lawyer turns the trial into a circus about race, class, and bigotry. Platform stuff for leftist groups. The Public Defender (supposedly a 2nd rate lawyer) stays on course and punches hole in the State's case (actually weak). Public Defender scores one bigtime - acquital looks good - but Rad Lawyer turns around and throws the case deliberately! He and his group want a convicted martyr for the cause - not an aquitted kid.

Posted by: hondo at January 12, 2006 09:33 PM (3aakz)

2 Sounds like a pretty good flick. What's it called? Reminds me of the recent story where DNA proved an executed man was indeed the murderer after all. I could picture all the Leftard activists pulling their hair out in frustration because an erroneously executed man would have been so good for their cause!

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 13, 2006 12:17 PM (8e/V4)

3 "Trial" 1955 - haven't seen it in over 25 years - maybe again this weekend if I can find it. Its worth it - if I remember - not a great movie - but controversial and pissed off the left in the 50s.

Posted by: hondo at January 13, 2006 12:30 PM (3aakz)

4 Glenn Ford never popular with the Hollywood left considered "too patriotic". Quiet guy - reserved in his personal believes (leaned conservative) but not out-spoken like Wayne. Good guy - though some Righters might consider his too easy going and accommodating.

Posted by: hondo at January 13, 2006 12:37 PM (3aakz)

5 Libs love it when innocent people get killed, that way they can prove they were "right". They actually hate people, and it's only "the cause" they really care about. I worked in the non-profit sector for 5 years so I saw it up close. They spouted off about "the poor", but treated the poor folks who came calling like dirt, and made volunteers cry out of sheer assholeness, because they couldn't care less about people on an individual basis. And I was a Lib when I figured that out, so I had no axe to grind at the time.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 13, 2006 01:43 PM (8e/V4)

6 The ACLU is a cover up for their real organization. NAMBLA.

Posted by: greyrooster at January 13, 2006 08:37 PM (AWtJU)

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Dear Weird Emailing Guy

Please don't bother my co-bloggers anymore. You're more than welcome to continue to email me though, I think you're a laugh riot.

Anyway, I forgot to add this to my reply to you; I'm sorry you can't find your stapler, but I didn't take it.

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Dirty Bomber Pleads Not Guilty, Bail Denied

Jose Padilla has pleaded 'not guilty' to charges of conspiring to murder Americans with a 'dirty bomb'. Personally I'm glad Padilla is no longer being held as an enemy combatant and will now be put into 'the system'. He'll make some big inmate a mighty fine catch, if you get what I mean. I have a feeling being a nuclear terrorist isn't going to go over too well in federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison. more...

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I'm a terrorist (now put me on T.V.!)

Personally, I'd take the porn-star option. But that's just me.

Acting teacher recommends terrorism as a way to 'break in' to showbiz. more...

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1 I know of him vaguely - he's a loony - which is probably why he's an Intel Officer (as I'm currently an Intel NCO - we have to keep our eyes on these guys!). His material is part put-on and part tongue-in-cheek serious (weird huh). He's OK - don't read too much into the newswire piece. Hey! This is NY! There aren't too many conservatives around here, so we tend to get a lil' odd sometimes. (yeah - he's passable for a conservative). Believe he's back home now from Iraq tour - some of my E8 buddies were hooked up with him in Tikrit - think most of the 42nd has rotated back. Intel joke- Intel Officer say to Intel NCOIC ... Hey! If I'm in charge, how come you have all the keys, the combinations to the safes, n' get to keep two full 9mm magazines in your desk draw? Intel NCOIC ... You say something Sir? Cup of coffee? Its fresh.

Posted by: hondo at January 12, 2006 09:14 PM (3aakz)

2 How can u say "don't read much into the report"?? He said you should be a terrorist. That is only a small part of the article. In the full article which is linked to at the top, it gives a link to his old site and I loaded it up and his list which said "By Monroe Mann' on it at the top said you should be a terrorist, become a pornstar, get arrested and some other stupid stuff just like the report said. He doesn't seem to be "OK" like you suggest. Youre just sticking up 4 him as he's in the army like you. I've never heard anybody tell people to be terrorists or criminals to get ahead. Evn if it was meant to be tounge in cheek (which I doubt it was if you read up more about him) then it is still an incredibly stupid thing to say, especially coming from an army person. What sort of person in New York city would go around telling people to be terrorists? He should be locked up.

Posted by: dale at January 13, 2006 04:47 AM (TbDdZ)

3 Obviously you don't know when your being put on.

Posted by: hondo at January 13, 2006 10:24 AM (3aakz)

4 Put on? Check it out! It is real. Monroe Mann exists. His suggestions to actors exists. His own website monroemann.com has a big banner saying "Oscard bound" on it.

Posted by: dale at January 13, 2006 01:37 PM (E3X9v)

5 I don't get it - what's your point? I told you his comments were a gag.

Posted by: hondo at January 13, 2006 06:34 PM (3aakz)

6 Hi, sorry I thought you meant the story was a gag. Sorry for that.

Posted by: dale at January 14, 2006 07:22 AM (cnMaw)

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American Taken Hostage in Nigeria

Probably victims of Ijaw extremists (who are animists and Christians), but there is a growing Islamist movement in Nigeria as well with its accompanying violence. Nigeria is proof that oil has a terrible track record at making nations wealthy.

UPDATE: Regular commenter Jesusland Joe informs me that his cousin works for Shell in Nigeria. If any one learns of the name of the hostage, please e-mail me. We pray that this hostage will be released unharmed. UPDATE II: Jesusland Joe has confirmed his cousin is o.k.

Washington Post:

Gunmen stormed an offshore oil platform run by Royal Dutch Shell in Nigeria and kidnapped four foreign workers, including an American, while apparent sabotage ruptured a pipeline at a facility processing 106,000 barrels of crude daily, officials said Thursday.
Gunmen in three boats seized the workers from a support vessel attached to the oil platform Wednesday, Shell spokesman Andy Corrigan said in London.
Military spokesman Maj. Said Hameed said the four included an American, a Bulgarian, a Briton and a Honduran, and "efforts are being made to secure their release."
In a separate incident, a major pipeline feeding Shell's Forcados oil export terminal ruptured overnight at Brass Creek, forcing the company to stop production of 106,000 barrels of oil daily, Shell said.
A Shell spokesman in Lagos said the pipeline exploded, though details were sketchy. In December, a major Shell pipeline was blown up by unknown attackers, forcing the company to shut down large volumes of crude oil.

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Yeah, but does Homer Simpson care about Alito?

The final word on the Alito hearings.

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Iraqi Jihad Recruiter in Germany Convicted

I'd be a lot happier if he had got more than seven years, but this is Germany which is still in Europe. We'll take what we can get, when we can get it. Via Chad at ITB who also notes the Spaniards got another one, this from ADNKI:

An Iraqi man has been sentenced to seven years by a German court for helping smuggle suicide bombers from Europe to his native country in what is considered a landmark ruling. Amin Lokman Mohamed, 31, was convicted by Munich judge, Bernd von Heintschel-Heinegg, of "belonging to a terrorist association and recruiting militants to send to Iraq."
Mohamed, from Iraqi Kurdistan, was arrested by the German police in 2003, while living in Munich. He denied belonging to the radical Islamic group Ansar al-Islam, which is believed linked to the al-Qaeda network and considered responsible for countless attacks against US troops in Iraq, but admitted collecting funds and recruiting jihadis in Europe.
During the trial, the court was presented with transcripts of hundreds of tapped phone conversations, in which Mohamed allegedly organised for the transfer of young men from Europe to Iraq and of others from his homeland to Germany and Britain.

Despite what the article says, Ansar al-Islam has not been responsible for many attacks lately. The group operated mainly in Kurdistan but was mostly wiped out by the Peshmerga during and after the war. Remnants have been succesful in the odd political assassination in Kurdistan, but nothing else. The real threat came when former Ansar al-Islam fighter Abu Musab al-Zarqawi took foreign fighters and formed Tawhid and Jihad--now known as al Qaeda in Iraq. Another group which seems to have formed from remnants of Ansar al-Islam, is The Army of Ansar al-Sunnah, which is no longer able to operate in Kurdistan but carries on terror activities wherever there are large Kurdish minorities in Iraq.

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Stupid (Threatening) E-Mail of the Day

From Heinrich Isaac, who's IP tracks to Northop Grumman, one of America's leading defense contract companies, and who decided to e-mail every single one of us at The Jawa Report in response to an earlier post on a new Polygamy law in Malaysia which would allow husbands to take their wives property if divorced. Besides wasting government contract money surfing the web, Heinrich Isaac is also a moron unable to distinguish between a 'religion' and a 'race' and unable to distinguish between what my relative (who is from Malaysia) and I think.

Not content with writing us an insulting e-mail, he then threatens us not to respond. If you are a glutton for punishment, or maybe into S&M, you will find the letter below marginally interesting. more...

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1 I'm a little offended that Mr. Isaac didn't cc me. Oh well, I've been kind of slack on the posting since Christmas. Just look what i missed!

Posted by: See-Dubya at January 12, 2006 01:55 PM (MiPbY)

2 I'm waiting to hear from my "ISP" as he threatened. Of course he has no clue what my ISP is based upon the email address, but that didn't stop him from making the threat.

Posted by: Chad Evans at January 12, 2006 02:05 PM (+DXHJ)

3 On second thought, did he just not commit harrassment that is punishable by law under the newly-signed agreement? I'll have to check with the statutes.

Posted by: Chad Evans at January 12, 2006 02:07 PM (+DXHJ)

4 So i think that this e-mail should be sent to his company like Wasim?

Posted by: Filthy at January 12, 2006 02:49 PM (5ceWd)

5 I'm hurt deep down you know annoyed too.

Posted by: Howie at January 12, 2006 02:52 PM (D3+20)

6 I know nothing about Malaysia, but I'm sure it blows truckloads of Chimp.

Posted by: Preston Taylor Holmes at January 12, 2006 02:58 PM (WsZ4F)

7 Liberals never cease to amaze me with their astounding feats of stupidity. I wish the hell they talked as tough in person as they do on the internet, but they never do, unless in large mobs.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 04:21 PM (0yYS2)

8 Northrop Grumman needs to re-evaluate their work policies. The guys who the less than lethal sonic and microwave technology gets tested on should not have internet access like the other employees.

Posted by: Graeme at January 12, 2006 04:55 PM (25nFa)

9 So he calls you guys "disgusting" and wishes that you all are "relegated to the same rubbish bin" as the Nazis. Yet if anyone of you choose to respond, he'll claim harrassment? Gotta love Mr. Isaac's pretzel logic.

Posted by: Brandon at January 12, 2006 05:16 PM (CzSs6)

10 While I abhor this new ridiculous law, against which many of us are campaigning, I have to agree with Grumman on one point: Malaysians are among the most tolerant and humane in the world. It's our government that isn't.

Posted by: sharon tang at January 12, 2006 05:52 PM (+YLxs)

11 Hey, I have nothing against Malaysia nor have ever said anything against the nation. I'm just a bit ticked off I was included in the same category as Howie and Vinnie. I'm not the same fascist slimeball either are. Heh.

Posted by: Chad Evans at January 12, 2006 06:11 PM (+DXHJ)

12 Sharon, I am friends with a Malaysian family whom I admire very much. My oldest son and their son played on our high school tennis team and went undefeated my son's senior year. Our families became close friends during this time. The father is an economics teacher at the college in our town and is ethic Chinese. He is not a Muslim, although he knows more about the Koran than anyone I know. His wife is Malay, I'm not sure of her ethnicity, and frankly I don't care, but she is Muslim. Their children are being raised Muslim. You could not ask for nicer people and that is the reason you separate radical Islam and Islamists from what I call moderate Muslims. But they made a trip to Malaysia during Ramadan and I have seen a change in them. The father is very worried about his son going back to Malaysia after he graduates from high school in the spring and very much wants him to stay in the US and not go back to Malaysia. Something happened and the father is concerned to the point that he does not want his son to go back to Malaysia. Is something going on there that you know about and could perhaps enlighten us?

Posted by: jesusland joe at January 12, 2006 06:15 PM (rUyw4)

13 Any chance you could post his email addy for those of us he has not threatened? Please...

Posted by: JustPlainJoe at January 12, 2006 08:22 PM (+Zpeh)

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In the future, every one will be David Hasselhoff for 15 minutes

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Stampede for Allah: Hundreds Killed in Mecca

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Another haj, another stampede. Or, as Charles Johnson is deeming it, the "annual human sacrifice". Here is what al Jazeera has to say about the annual incident:

Hamad bin Abdullah al-Manei, Saudi Arabia's health minister, said: "So far, the number of confirmed death is 345 and the number of injured in hospital is 289."
Al-Maneh said the stampede was caused by "unruly pilgrims, and a problem of luggage."
"Today, just after sunset, there was a big rush among the pilgrims which led a group of them to be killed or wounded."

James Joyner (via PoliBlog)has a list of the annual carnage from recent years.

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1 Cows stampede, higher order mammals stompede.

Posted by: bill at January 12, 2006 12:09 PM (7evkT)

2 Message is clear, God hates what you muslims do in his name, now you pay.

Posted by: V at January 12, 2006 12:20 PM (BeTNH)

3 Islam is deadly.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 12, 2006 12:25 PM (8e/V4)

4 Imagine how many wives of pilgrims (who still have their daughters at home and alive) are hoping that with Allah's help they beat the odds and one of the 345 dead is their husband.

Posted by: orlando at January 12, 2006 12:28 PM (qLdYL)

5 Sure - events attracting enormous crowds in the 100's of thousands + are common around the world and with different cultures - and sometimes there are accidents ... But holy shit! What is it with muslims! They above all others seem to set the benchmark for stupidity.

Posted by: hondo at January 12, 2006 12:34 PM (3aakz)

6 No shootings, no bombings, no fires, less than 400 dead - the Saudi authorities probably consider Hajj '06 to be a success.

Posted by: Graeme at January 12, 2006 12:49 PM (25nFa)

7 Poor guys. What a terrible way to die.

Posted by: George Ramos at January 12, 2006 01:34 PM (5E0ex)

8 Hey maybe we should all get together and celebrate by firing our guns in the air and burning a Saudi flag. Yeah and we can get the western bureau of Al Jazeera to get us on the air. It'll be GREAT, OH YEAH... PARTY TIME !!!!!

Posted by: memphis761 at January 12, 2006 01:39 PM (D3+20)

9 Hmmm...I thought these guys walked around and around in a circle. Several of them must have caught the NASCAR bug and speeded up considerably, thus running the slower guys down. Damn that redneck NASCAR, it is deadly. Pray five times a day for its demise, I say, with a Chimpy grin on my face. I now blame the whole thing on George Bush.

Posted by: jesusland joe at January 12, 2006 03:43 PM (rUyw4)

10 Mother of all Cults. Mob mentality no different than after a rock conert or a rugby game cept this is in the name of God. Jim Jones would be green with envy.

Posted by: Howie at January 12, 2006 03:52 PM (D3+20)

11 This calls for hot wings and cold beer!

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 04:23 PM (0yYS2)

12 You're an idiot.

Posted by: George Ramos at January 12, 2006 05:02 PM (5E0ex)

13 Awww georgie porgie puddin' pie, stuck his thumb in his ass and cried me oh my! Fuck you george, you're a nothing but a fucking moonbat leftard, and I'd like to show you and your whore mother how to remove your skin in one piece.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 07:19 PM (0yYS2)

14 Only if we could talk them into making this a weekly event. 345+/- X 52 weeks = alot less Islamofacists

Posted by: JustPlainJoe at January 12, 2006 08:38 PM (+Zpeh)

15 man what kind of hearts you idiots have ...you wouldnt like it if muslims got happy when the pope died or if any thing happen when christian go to the pligrame..dude you fuckers need a life and may god burn you all shit heads who have no fuckin heart and think god made the the english and none else after...so all you out there in this web site may god burn you and i think none of you have any family values or family for that matter or i bet you dont know who you damn fathers are,,,,if you r house is made from glass dont throw stones cuz then it kicks you in the ass bitches

Posted by: ash;ley at January 12, 2006 10:15 PM (pflZ0)

16 ashley, surely if you can find it within yourself to understand terrorist motives and apologize for islamic hatred, then couldn't you possibly also find a way to understand ours? No? I see. So it's a one-way street. Only little brown 3rd world people get to seethe in anger. Not whitey? Hardly seems fair. Fuck off asshole. We know what you're all about.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 12, 2006 10:44 PM (8e/V4)

17 hey ashley you stupid whore, it's muslims who were dancing in the street on September 11th. Every time one of you moron liberals opens you mouth, I want to go on a killing spree.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 11:39 PM (0yYS2)

18 hey ashley you stupid whore, it's muslims who were dancing in the street on September 11th. Every time one of you moron liberals opens your mouth, I want to go on a killing spree.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 11:39 PM (0yYS2)

19 Please delete one of those comments. Weird things happen when I post after midnight, half asleep.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 12, 2006 11:43 PM (0yYS2)

20 Shame on you all for the hateful things that you have said about the Muslims! Even if you are not in the streets burning flags you are here writing words of hate into the history of the internet. ASK YOUR SELF WHY YOUR COMMENTS ARE NOT IN THE NEWS!!! Â….. It is because the news media does not want to show ChristianÂ’s words of HATE!!! Mind your words and be humbleÂ…Â….your words and actions are being taken into account.

Posted by: Jesus at January 13, 2006 01:56 AM (p9OTP)

21 Logic tells me that if "X" happens everytime they do "Y", perhaps they should re-evaluate "Y".

Posted by: Oyster at January 13, 2006 05:38 AM (YudAC)

22 Mommy the nasty man hurt my feelings. Why does he say such hurtful things.

Posted by: George Ramos at January 13, 2006 06:16 AM (5E0ex)

23 By the way, I'm not a liberal. I'm just simply saying I'm not a racist. I supported the war in Iraq. I also think democrats are weak. Clinton let Osama get away. I criticize both sides. I'm such saying celebrating muslims dying is horrible and inhumane. Telling me to fuck off and calling Ashley a whore shows me how intelligent you are.

Posted by: George Ramos at January 13, 2006 06:20 AM (5E0ex)

24 >>>Shame on you all for the hateful things that you have said about the Muslims! Shame on us for the things we SAY, but a huge pass to muslims for the things they DO-- because after all we had it comeing to us.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 13, 2006 09:14 AM (8e/V4)

25 Why do you liberal retards even bother? Read closely and I'll 'splain it to you in small words; Fuck you. Did you get that? I don't care what you think, I don't care what you say, I only want to see you die horribly. I'm not a Christian, I'm not a pacifist, I don't care about the human rights of primitive savages who dance in the streets upon hearing the news of the deaths of innocent people. Fuck them and fuck you. The sooner you start your little revolution the sooner I can start slaughtering you, so be my guest.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 13, 2006 09:17 AM (0yYS2)

26 It looks to me like you have a realy small ......

Posted by: Probibly minimus at January 13, 2006 09:48 AM (p9OTP)

27 hahahahahahahahaha!

Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at January 13, 2006 09:50 AM (CtVG6)

28 MORE HAJJ!!! HAJJ EVERY MONTH!!! HAJJ EVERY DAY!!! PLEASE KEEP STAMPEDING!!! YOUR TOWELHEAD SELVES AWAY!!! 345...at least it is a start, although an extremely small one.

Posted by: Steve Sharon at January 13, 2006 09:53 AM (9H6fQ)

29 AWWW, the nasty man is upset. He wants to be bubba's bitch again. He misses being fucked in the ass.

Posted by: George Ramos at January 13, 2006 09:56 AM (5E0ex)

30 George, if you Libs can understand islamic terrorists and muslim fanatics, then surely it would be so much easier to understand us. All you need to do is try. Just try damn you!!!

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 13, 2006 10:45 AM (8e/V4)

31 I love how you morons make your middle school attempts at insulting me; it would be charming if it weren't coming from thrity-somthings living in their parents' basements.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 13, 2006 12:40 PM (0yYS2)

32 Hey Maximus, I'm actually 18 years old and am in my Senior year of High School in Florida. Quit insulting me. And for the last damn time. I'm not a liberal. I don't belong to any party. All I'm saying is don't insult muslims who were killed in a stampede or don't insult a woman who was kidnapped by psychotic beheaders in Iraq. I understand your anger. My father is just like you and he served in the military for 30 years. He's also a Democrat. I hate Al Qaeda too. If it were up to me, Zarqawi would have his head chopped off but unfortunately he's still running around. My point is not all Muslims are crazy bastards who run around chopping off people's heads. Jesus Christ, why is it that when I say don't insult people who just died, I'm considered a liberal. I've only been on this board a month and I already made an enemy(improbulus maximus).

Posted by: George Ramos at January 13, 2006 01:17 PM (5E0ex)

33 If God didn't wish it to happen, he would not have allowed it. Remember 9/11, assholes.

Posted by: greyrooster at January 13, 2006 08:48 PM (AWtJU)

34 >>>Remember 9/11 Never forget.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 14, 2006 01:05 AM (8e/V4)

35 Spoofing people is not nice. Only the people who blog here are allowed to spoof people. Nice try, assmonkey - The Management. p.s. take a fucking remedial spelling class, fucktard.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus ? at January 15, 2006 01:16 AM (p9OTP)

36 George, this isn't a "board." It's a blog. There is a difference.

Posted by: Vinnie at January 15, 2006 01:59 AM (Kr6/f)

37 hey may god kill and burn osama and zarqawi and anyone who hurts in the name of religion but let me ask you this the guy that bombed oklahoma was white american and christians does that mean all you guys are like that...see the media wants to show you what they want but not the truth ,,,the media shows a american soldier who killed a child family and then giving him candy whats that ha....and lets say muslims have crazy ass ppl that doesnt mean all do because if thats the case then all religions and ppl are wrong...before you hate think and before you insult know that all the races on this earth have bad and good....and as for the palestinian who were dancin you cant blame them....lets say mexico came and took over the us and gave the american no rights,,,bomed your houses and killled your family what would you ...palestinian have no wepons and thwir families are killed so they bomb there bodies and im sure anyone willl but you know with all that the leaders are the ones playing the game and ppl are the ones that die and then when something bad happens in a country they are the first out and give no crape about anyone else...im jewish from isreal and i seen alot of things that i wish i can change but cant,,,,i wish that ppl in the world stop heatin and think please think and put your self in those ppl shoes and let me tell you somethin for the ones that think they will always be strong you will get your day look what happen to all the leader that thought they were big shit their day came and boy it was shitty....from faro,to noplene,tohitler to sadam and all from different regions of the world different religion and different countries.thank you and god bless all the ppl anbd kill all the ones whom like to hurt ppl and another thing bin laden has stockes and other things with bush so think about that and then see what comes up

Posted by: ashley at January 15, 2006 11:40 PM (pflZ0)

38 God Bless You!!! You give us hope Ashley!!!!

Posted by: Jesus at January 16, 2006 12:45 AM (p9OTP)

39 salam guys this is my first time in here and i must say alot of heat is here, which i dont blame you but not all muslims are the same and we dont agree on what some idiots are doing in the name of islam.every religion has wackos but that doesnt mean that all the religion or the belief is like that, and no matter what religion u are or where you are from one should not be happy if other die even if some did...2 wrongs dont make a right.my brothers are married to non arab or muslim women, infact one is american and one is spanish and the other is british and they dont think all muslims are bad nither do thier families and we all get together and have fun .never judge a person act and assume all are like that because if thats the case then all human rqce is wrong and none would like another. my point is please dont curse a religion no matter what it is for some ppl who hurt in the name of that.muslims,christians,jews are all gods religion and all are humans and all have wackios who do things in the name of that religion so instade of hating that religion and all who fallow hate that person for makin one of gods religion look bad for hes or her banifits and like ashley said leaders are the ones and bad ppl like binladen whos best friends with bush and blair and sharon are the ones that win at the end and the other get screwed and after everything they look like heros and the rest look like terriors.and bus and blair keep saying terrioste...why is it when some else does the same thing they do they are bad but for them it was to save the ppl...look what happen Hiroshima please tell me how the hell was that to help the ppl when they are suffering from it till now please look at history for the leader and see how everything thta happens is for thir banifits and they always have ppl like bin laden in thir group. thank you and god bless all ppl except leaders

Posted by: islam at January 16, 2006 01:46 PM (pflZ0)

40 I hate to tell you kids, but religion is a bunch of crap!! Historically almost all wars on this planet have been started because why?....Religion. I didnt say I dont believe in a god but to take your faith beyond that is just setting yourself up to hate. I want my tomb stone to read "I'll find out when I get there". Religions were created for man, written by man to keep order. Well look at your order now! Religion gives us reason to hate one another!

Posted by: Chris at February 04, 2006 11:51 AM (WzEUa)

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